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1.13 PSA
« on: 11 July 2018, 05:10:30 PM »
Mojang said today that they plan to release 1.13, or "Update Aquatic", a week from today.

Aside from the cool new ocean stuff and new blocks and mobs, this update includes a HUGE change behind the scenes regarding the inner workings of the game. It's completely changed how blocks work, "flattened" the block database, removed block/item IDs, began a re-write of how fluids work, and made a whole bunch of data changes to help simplify the game down the line. However, this means things like Spigot will take a while to update to everything. I've seen the Minecraft pre-releases, I've tried (with not much success) to decompile them, and I know how big some of the changes are. Spigot has had some API pre-releases out for a while, but they too change a lot of things, especially now block/item IDs don't exist any more. Many plugins will need some changes to make this work, most likely.

What I'm saying is it'll take a while for VC to update. Personally, I'm on holiday until the end of September, so I've got more than enough time to fix broken plugins myself in order to try and speed up the update, but I want to make sure there's no risk to anything breaking during the update. As soon as a semi-stable 1.13 build of Spigot is released next week (when they've finished changing the API all the time), I'll start testing each plugin and working out which ones work, and which ones need an update.

On the plus side, these changes do help to make the game much easier to edit in the future, and will likely help with future updates. Their approach is to try and break everything in one update, rather than breaking little things over many updates, which seems like a pretty sensible approach to me.

I'll try my best, but don't expect the update to come to VC straight away.
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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #1 on: 12 July 2018, 08:45:12 AM »
The more I read the more I see this as such a massive update. I am sure, excited though we are, that we'd prefer a stable play experience that a mismatch of play and errors, crashes etc.
Many thanks for letting us know of the sort of timescale we'll be looking at and all the hard work being put in behind the scenes. We always have SP to play around with until then, it'll give us a chance to delved into it safely.

Cheers!

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #2 on: 18 July 2018, 11:16:24 PM »
As much as I can't wait to get myself a trident. I don't mind the wait!
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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #3 on: 22 August 2018, 11:38:51 AM »
i've been watching a few youtube series based around the 1.13 update and it actually looks pretty sick and makes me wanna play Minecraft again after not caring for the game for the majority of this year. cant wait for VC to be updated.

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #4 on: 25 September 2018, 04:31:01 PM »
Thought I'd give an update on this, so you know I'm actually doing something.

I'll start off with the good news I think. Spigot has updated to 1.13, and around 40% of the plugins we use have a version tried and tested to work on 1.13. This doesn't mean that the other 60% of plugins won't work with the update, most of them will (for reference, now ~30% of the plugins we use are built against 1.12 or lower. The oldest one we have was last updated for MC 1.2). Plugins will likely be fine

However, there's some bad news. While Spigot has updated and works "well", there are thousands of serious bugs in Vanilla that make me very hesitant to update right now until they're fixed. One major one involves chests that span chunk borders being emptied, which would be a nightmare to deal with. Another bug causes chunks to randomly get reset when the world upgrades to the new flattened format. The main Spigot dev said there's about 1300 major bugs right now, which he recommends to take "extreme caution" with running. As a personal note, I don't know how Mojang released 47 snapshots, 12 pre-releases, and 2 full releases, without solving this bug. That's some terrible quality control if I've ever seen it. People are predicting Mojang are working on some 1.14 teasers to show off at Minecon, then they'll push a 1.13.2 build after that's over to fix most of these bugs. I don't know if that's true, but we'll see.

So yeah, don't worry. I've not forgotten about updating. I check the threads every day to see if there's any major news on safely updating. I want to play with the new stuff just as much as you, but I want to make sure it's done safely.

Oh, and there's a whole load of stuff I've got in my development world that may one day show up on VC, if all goes to plan :P
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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #5 on: 27 September 2018, 10:28:36 AM »
Thanks for the update! Definitely wait! No hurry to have a bugged up version, plus Optifine ain't ready yet either (90%)

Cheers!

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #6 on: 15 October 2018, 11:51:11 AM »
Some news:
  • A plurality of our plugins have a 1.13 version available. And thanks to the great (but annoying) way Bukkit/Spigot is coded, it's likely many of the older plugins will work just fine. There's two graphs below from my spreadsheet, which *should* automatically update as I test things
  • The Spigot dev got tired of waiting for Mojang to fix the chest bug, so fixed it himself. This means Spigot has moved from "extreme caution" to "caution", which I'm personally prepared to accept
  • I'm going to try and run a local test this weekend, and see which plugins are completely broken. Then I'll try and see if I can either find a more updated fork, or update them myself
  • I reported a bug to Mojang back in January 2017, and last week they marked it as fixed. I've not been able to confirm that, but we'll see in the next snapshot. If it is fixed, you'll see something cool in a few months/years
  • We're getting the first 1.14 snapshot on Wednesday, of which the contents will be interesting. They've announced some features (including loads of new slabs/walls etc), but they've also said they're planning to completely re-write the rendering engine, so hopefully there'll be some performance upgrades in the new year
  • After all this update business is finished, I'll be able to spend more time on a project I've called Supernova, which I hope you'll all enjoy. That'll come in a few months probably, and would almost be like an update in itself.

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #7 on: 17 October 2018, 07:10:21 AM »
Many thanks for the update.

Are those graphics (charts) live or are they just an example of how things stand? If live do you think you could add them to that status page?
Not even played with 1.13 yet due to processing lag (awaitning optifine) but 1.14 sounds great! I wonder if they'll ever sort vertical slabs or stairs. The scaffolding will be great. Without fly, building by town erm village has been a scary time haha


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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #8 on: 21 October 2018, 10:57:12 AM »
The graphs updated. I'll keep working on testing stuff, but there's a few plugins I'm going to have to fix to make work again. One of them I may have to completely recode from scratch...

On the plus side though, it seems to be going well :D

However, I'd recommend taking shulker boxes out of your backpacks. I'll try not to update until that big is fixed, but they're pretty hit-and-miss when it comes to them saving their items. As I said, I'll try and get that fixed, but to be on the safe side, I'd keep them in your enderchest or something
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"We aren't no one. We are gods" ~ Akomine - 2016-08-13

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"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK THE OZONE LAYER!" ~ Lividup64 - 2015-10-26

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"It's an electric field" ~ ChaosMushrooms - 2015-06-29

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #9 on: 25 October 2018, 09:38:41 AM »
So the skulker boxes in chests would be ok just not in backpack for now?

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #10 on: 25 October 2018, 01:47:15 PM »
So the skulker boxes in chests would be ok just not in backpack for now?
Yeah, it's just the backpacks that may have issues :/
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"We aren't no one. We are gods" ~ Akomine - 2016-08-13

"Shut up you self-interested, entitled chode, criticizing luis's scheduling. He tries to accommodate people. Fuck your optional saturday lunch you fat fuck. fuck you" ~ Akomine - 2016-02-13

"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK THE OZONE LAYER!" ~ Lividup64 - 2015-10-26

"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK GREENHOUSES!" ~ catty610 - 2015-10-23

"It's an electric field" ~ ChaosMushrooms - 2015-06-29

"A blade of grass is a commonplace on Earth; it would be a miracle on Mars. Our descendants on Mars will know the value of a patch of green. And if a blade of grass is priceless, what is the value of a human being?" ~ Carl Sagan - 1994

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #11 on: 6 February 2019, 09:44:57 AM »
Hi there!

I was wondering if there was an update to see 1.13. I'm sure it would inject a much needed spice into the server (if all is working of course)

Cheers!

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #12 on: 6 February 2019, 01:45:38 PM »
Hi there!

I was wondering if there was an update to see 1.13. I'm sure it would inject a much needed spice into the server (if all is working of course)

Cheers!

Gamalin

Hey!

There's still a couple of plugins that are broken in 1.13. One of which I know for certain I'm going to have to personally recode it to fix it, as I've had to tweak it a little over the years to fix the occasional bug. There's a few other plugins that are quite buggy, which I'm either going to try and find a working fork of them, or failing that fix them myself also.

I agree, 1.13 on the server would be great, and I was saying to Ako the other day I need to dedicate more time to getting it working. I've been really busy over the past 2-3 months, with a bunch of exams and coursework to do, as well as building a satellite in the free time I had, so I've not had as much time as I was hoping for to get the server updated. Hopefully in a couple of weeks it *should* quieten down a little, so I can spend more time properly updating things.

Sorry for not doing it sooner ;(
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"Luis da man, confirmed." ~ Akomine - 2017-04-21

"ta" ~ Lividup64 - 2017-03-11

"Hi, we still trust and love luisc99, he is a good pal and I'd let him take my girlfriend out to a romantic dinner" ~ airborne101st45 - 2017-03-04

"We aren't no one. We are gods" ~ Akomine - 2016-08-13

"Shut up you self-interested, entitled chode, criticizing luis's scheduling. He tries to accommodate people. Fuck your optional saturday lunch you fat fuck. fuck you" ~ Akomine - 2016-02-13

"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK THE OZONE LAYER!" ~ Lividup64 - 2015-10-26

"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK GREENHOUSES!" ~ catty610 - 2015-10-23

"It's an electric field" ~ ChaosMushrooms - 2015-06-29

"A blade of grass is a commonplace on Earth; it would be a miracle on Mars. Our descendants on Mars will know the value of a patch of green. And if a blade of grass is priceless, what is the value of a human being?" ~ Carl Sagan - 1994

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #13 on: 7 February 2019, 10:16:46 AM »
Hey that'as great and never would i ask for this server to be put before exams etc. The Satalite project sounds interesting!
Look forward to things happening! On a completely diff note, the poor old java version is getting way left behind the Win10 version, such a shame  :-\!!

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #14 on: 9 April 2019, 09:41:51 AM »
Hey there @luisc99 ,

Hope things are calming down for you now. could you give us an update on when we might see 1.13 or further additions to the server please?

Cheers!

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #15 on: 9 April 2019, 05:30:18 PM »
Hey there @luisc99 ,

Hope things are calming down for you now. could you give us an update on when we might see 1.13 or further additions to the server please?

Cheers!

Gamalin

Hey!

Starting on Saturday, I'll be home from uni for a month over the holidays, so I should be free. I'll dedicate some time there to update the server, given everything can work properly. I still need to recode some plugins, which will probably take up the largest chunk of the update time, but I'll try and do it quickly. I'd be disappointed if I've not updated it by the time my holiday is done.

1.13 will add a lot of content to the game, and from what I've seen of the 1.14 snapshots, that'll add huge changes to the game, so we can look forward to that too. In my dev environment, I've got a bunch of cool features to add to the server which would expand gameplay, but I forget how much I still have to do for those for them to be workable. I could implement them in 1.13, however some major back-end changes were made for 1.14 which would make it significantly more stable for me to implement what I want, so I'm tempted to hold out on adding those new things for when we update to that. I'll see though, might work on that in summer and see how I can get it working.

I'm truly really sorry for not updating sooner. I reckon the last day I've had when I've not been busy was probably back in mid-January, and I've been wanting to do this for a while now. It's fun for me to do, and it annoys me I've taken this long to update things.

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"You are god. Or Lucifer, your choice" ~ Akomine - 2017-09-06

"if people were making gay lists then you'd be the first one up there, followed by a black drag queen called queen sheniqua" ~ Lividup64 - 2017-07-08

"Luis da man, confirmed." ~ Akomine - 2017-04-21

"ta" ~ Lividup64 - 2017-03-11

"Hi, we still trust and love luisc99, he is a good pal and I'd let him take my girlfriend out to a romantic dinner" ~ airborne101st45 - 2017-03-04

"We aren't no one. We are gods" ~ Akomine - 2016-08-13

"Shut up you self-interested, entitled chode, criticizing luis's scheduling. He tries to accommodate people. Fuck your optional saturday lunch you fat fuck. fuck you" ~ Akomine - 2016-02-13

"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK THE OZONE LAYER!" ~ Lividup64 - 2015-10-26

"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK GREENHOUSES!" ~ catty610 - 2015-10-23

"It's an electric field" ~ ChaosMushrooms - 2015-06-29

"A blade of grass is a commonplace on Earth; it would be a miracle on Mars. Our descendants on Mars will know the value of a patch of green. And if a blade of grass is priceless, what is the value of a human being?" ~ Carl Sagan - 1994

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #16 on: 11 April 2019, 09:38:10 AM »
My thanks for the update. I know these things can take a while with RL commitments. Glad to see we may be getting the update soon. I am sure we can wait on the even newer stuff you've got to introduce, if it means more stability.

Cheers!

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #17 on: 13 April 2019, 10:52:50 PM »
@luisc99 Post pics of satellite or ban
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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #18 on: 14 April 2019, 02:48:20 PM »
@luisc99 Post pics of satellite or ban

I don't have any good photos of it with me at home, but this is the CAD model we have of it
https://www.dropbox.com/s/98jbw1d5m03qjge/CubeSat_20190414.png?dl=0

It's a bit disappointing I know, I'm sorry
"Damn Luis is fuckin good" ~ airborne101st45 - 2018-02-12

"You are god. Or Lucifer, your choice" ~ Akomine - 2017-09-06

"if people were making gay lists then you'd be the first one up there, followed by a black drag queen called queen sheniqua" ~ Lividup64 - 2017-07-08

"Luis da man, confirmed." ~ Akomine - 2017-04-21

"ta" ~ Lividup64 - 2017-03-11

"Hi, we still trust and love luisc99, he is a good pal and I'd let him take my girlfriend out to a romantic dinner" ~ airborne101st45 - 2017-03-04

"We aren't no one. We are gods" ~ Akomine - 2016-08-13

"Shut up you self-interested, entitled chode, criticizing luis's scheduling. He tries to accommodate people. Fuck your optional saturday lunch you fat fuck. fuck you" ~ Akomine - 2016-02-13

"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK THE OZONE LAYER!" ~ Lividup64 - 2015-10-26

"THAT'S RIGHT! I GOT IT! I'LL HACK GREENHOUSES!" ~ catty610 - 2015-10-23

"It's an electric field" ~ ChaosMushrooms - 2015-06-29

"A blade of grass is a commonplace on Earth; it would be a miracle on Mars. Our descendants on Mars will know the value of a patch of green. And if a blade of grass is priceless, what is the value of a human being?" ~ Carl Sagan - 1994

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Re: 1.13 PSA
« Reply #19 on: 15 April 2019, 06:26:33 PM »
Still pretty cool, thanks!
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gerrit is the only reason i even browse the forums; he's a true master of words

i say he gets into a group called "poet"