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soggywafflezz:
Accused player: CRH224
Accused of: Keeping items in a no keep zone.
Player effected: SoggyWafflezz
Time occurred: 12/28/2021 at 10:35PST
Location: Ambrose
Co-ordinates: XYZ 12061.207 / 74.00000 / 16849.714
(For unlawful attack reports) If in a village, was PVP on or off? Pvp is on in the village.
Brief summary of what happened: What has happened is we were in Ambrose Kingdom
courtyard and CRH killed me and gave me back all my stuff except my elven axe, it clearly states in Ambrose rules that are made public that all items dropped after pvp is no keeps.

CRH244:
I killed you because you were attacking me. At the time, there was a sign at Ambrose's rule board that stated all pvp needed to have consent from both parties. You violated the rules by attempting to kill me when I had not given consent. You broke a village rule and I did so in turn, however I am now wishing I had not returned what I did. However I don't think that any of that even matters because I don't believe those village rules can be enforced by staff. Pvp was turned on in the village, why would some sign saying that pvp is ONLY allowed in this pvp on area if there is consent and that all pvp is no keeps, matter? To my knowledge, staff don't enforce village rules unless they are already part of existing rules, such as no griefing allowed. Would a player be punished if they randomly stumbled upon Ambrose without knowledge that they weren't suppose to kill in a pvp on area? We both broke silly player made pvp rules in a pvp on area so I don't think any harm was done.

FroggyBee:
In response to what CRH said, the rules on our rule board were a bit wonky and I logged on today to see they had been removed. I know some people placed some rules up there that were jokes, like the "killing royalty is encouraged" sign. (which is technically against the rules, but everyone does it anyways and no harm is really done)
But in our rule book that we have had up next to the board, the first rule stated is "1. PVP in Ambrose is allowed to an extent. No excessive killing is allowed unless the other party is okay with it."
This applies to excessive killing, like repeated killing or PvP matches were they kill each other often. It is very hard to regulate who is consenting for PvP when there is always so many people at the castle and so many people who like to just jump in and start killing each other.
The second rule in our rule book states "2. ALL PVP IS NO KEEPS! ANY items kept from PVP without permission is considered theft and against VC rules." I know our rules are confusing and not well put together, but the #1 rule that we make VERY clear is that any PvP that happens in Ambrose is no keeps. If you are added as a member in Ambrose, it is expected that you understand that just being there is an automatic no keeps PvP agreement.
I have been trying to consistently add rules into the rule book to make things more clear for village members, and I did add a sign next to the rule board to read the rule book for a more specific explanation of the rules. We have PvP turned on for a reason, and it's to have fun. If you don't want no keeps PvP, or no PvP at all, don't come to Ambrose.
I also try to encourage everyone in Ambrose to read the rules beforehand.
Hope this helps :>

CRH244:
Another reason as to why I believe staff wouldn't and don't enforce these kinds of pvp rules in an area with pvp on since some can be changed on a whim, some can be jokes, and some can be disregarded. I believe that the only punishment for this could be from the owners of the village and should be given to both me and waffles since we both broke the village pvp rules.

CRH244:
Linked is a screenshot showing that consent was needed for pvp according to village rules incase further proof was needed. https://imgur.com/a/aVObuzE

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