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Daypath:
Hi all, in senate we've been considering different kinds of legislation to fix problems with /fly. However, since this interferes with internal staff rules, legislation can only pass through parliament. So, I hope that we can raise discussion surrounding these issues and people can give their own opinions, solutions, and details they'd like to see in a parliament bill.

So far there have been two ideas on how to resolve two different issues - staff favouritism/discrimination concerning /fly access, and their own hypocrisy by using fly for personal builds but not allowing it to players.

The first idea is to solve staff favouritism and discrimination against players by regulating the conditions in which a player can reasonably be given fly. This means that fly will be given out to any builds that needs it, and optionally: fly could no longer be given out for simple builds. This proposal is given so that staff cannot deny players fly in a reasonable request because of personal feelings, but they also may not be able to show favouritism by giving players fly when they don't need it. Obviously, if a player 'misuses' fly, they can be cut off from it.

The second idea is to remove staff advantages and hypocrisy concerning their own access to /fly (and possibly creative) for when they use it for their personal builds, but do not give it to players.

Since staff are likely to have a biased view upon changes to these issues, because it limits their power/decision-making, I would hope that their input and approval would not be based on personal preference but on practicality. Hopefully staff will maintain an impartial outlook based only on feasibility, the wellbeing of the server, and public support.

I welcome any disagreements, agreements, and new ideas.

Daypath:
My personal opinion on this to bring to the discussion,

I believe that we should be encouraging players to build complex/aerial designs on the server by endorsing their access to /fly for specific builds that need it - it is deeply unfair that only staff have been able to reserve it for themselves and their friends. Although I believe the second solution would bring equality, we could have a system for players to make amazing builds without any negative effects.

Non-builders and staff members are likely to not agree with giving builders fly because they haven't struggled without it - however many builders have struggled for hours with scaffolding and have given up on aerial builds because it's incredibly hard to constantly shift angles from all sides while building. There is no reason to not to allow builders fly for specific situations, if they even manage to find a way to misuse fly in a way that can negatively impact others, fly can be taken away from them or they can face any consequences.

Most staff have argued against the first idea of creating fair, regulated fly to players because it's "not in the nature of a survival server", however, each staff member uses fly/creative for personal builds, if they truly believed this, why would they use it?  Outrageous, I agree.

Furthermore, /fly is given to "legacy staff" (staff who have left the team or are otherwise inactive) as well, obviously they believe that it is needed or greatly valuable to building. An ex-staff member should be equal to any other player, it's disturbing that they believe this should only granted to them for building. Evidently, staff do believe that people should be able to play in this manner, even if it is only for themselves.

TinyTinaJoon:
This sounds like a great idea fly is soo necessary for complex builds and enjoyment on the server! it can be so difficult to get fly sometimes when it feels so vital for overall server enjoyment when we are all rich enough to basically live in creative mode

Cbddallas:
Talking point:  In a world in which elytra exist, is fly really useful for anything other than building? Is it OP?

Discuss!

Noket:
Personally I'm all for what Day's suggesting.

Fly shouldn't be something doled out as a token of favor or friendship - it encourages cliquey behavior.

I think it should normalized like many of the other non-vanilla processes (region protection, mob protect, etc), and people who want to use fly should go through an application where they state their intent of how and where it will be used.

A permit of 3 days, 7 days, or 14 days may be granted (there are just examples, not hard set numbers) upon approval. In terms of implementation, this could be a security group or permission that people are granted - there's probably other ways that Luis might settle on but it shouldn't be too tough to implement.

Finally - and I know this has come up time and time again - "this is a survival server!!1 fly is bad". Sure - but there's a lot of other things on this server that are far from vanilla. AFAIC - somebody in fly isn't in God mode, they can still be hunted with bow/arrow and would have to survive by running away - if they use the fly to retaliate/pvp, then they lose the permit.

We can also make the permits fairly expensive (maybe in the ballpark of 50-150k), again to appease the people who might argue it's too against the values of a survival server.

That said - in the situation that this passes, I hereby grant staff permission to debit my bank account to fund fly permits for build projects that a player couldn't otherwise afford, as long as it doesn't put my balance below $1M. I'll modify this permission if I change my mind at a future date - if unmodified, it may be assumed that I still grant this permission (even years into the future). Please don't ask me if I give permission - the answer is yes.

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