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VillageCraft Boards => Ban/Punishment Appeals => Topic started by: RagsDeeboo on 8 February 2018, 12:27:23 AM
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Hello,
I was shocked and disturbed that this afternoon, I was banned for "duping using DrugMeUp". I don't even know how to dupe. I never have known. Never plan on knowing. Allow me to explain what happened. I come out of my room one morning and Sophie starts yelling at me "Rags! Check this out! Someone put a shitload of diamond blocks in our pumpkin farm chests!!". My initial reaction was "wait what?", then followed by "ok, this is too good to be true. Let's see who did this." So I go online and do /lb tb and I saw that no names were there. Very confused, I tell a staff member (not sure who) and they told me to go ahead and sell them. So I do. I gained a total of 11 million, and that was that.
I believe this punishment for my "duping" is VERY harsh too. I was perm banned on my 1st and only offense I've ever had. Do you not think that's slightly harsh? I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff.
Again, I don't know how to dupe. I found out that DrugMeUp was removed because people could dupe with it from Yvette on a Skype call a few weeks ago, and I was slightly surprised. You can ask her about it.
Overall, I would just like to plead my innocence and hope for the best. Thank you.
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(https://i.imgur.com/AvLdb0X.png)
I don't even know how to dupe. I never have known. Never plan on knowing. Allow me to explain what happened. I come out of my room one morning and Sophie starts yelling at me "Rags! Check this out! Someone put a shitload of diamond blocks in our pumpkin farm chests!!".
Smells like doo doo
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(https://i.imgur.com/AvLdb0X.png)
I don't even know how to dupe. I never have known. Never plan on knowing. Allow me to explain what happened. I come out of my room one morning and Sophie starts yelling at me "Rags! Check this out! Someone put a shitload of diamond blocks in our pumpkin farm chests!!".
Smells like doo doo
I understand how much it sounds like bullshit. But, I can't stress enough that I am in a spot where it's hard to prove my innocence, and I haven't done anything wrong.
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Again, I don't know how to dupe. I found out that DrugMeUp was removed because people could dupe with it from Yvette on a Skype call a few weeks ago, and I was slightly surprised. You can ask her about it.
I'll confirm I explained to him, after the plugin was removed ill add (was not trying to spread duping) that duping was a thing. Not definitive evidence he didn't do it but notable enough.
More importantly I'd really like to find out which staff member it was that told soph/rags it was ok to sell them. Kat also confirmed that a staff member told them it was okay to sell. That's a key factor to this that really should have been resolved before going right to a ban.
And I agree that this is a first offence, a PERMANENT ban for a first offence of someone who's been on the server for like 2 years is pretty crazy, even if he did do everything he is accused of.
TLDR:
Address the staff member that helped soph/rags determine if the diamond blocks were ok to sell.
If they really did dupe it, the ban shouldn't be more than a few weeks due to this happening 4 months ago, and it being a first offence of a longtime member.
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From what I have gathered, the chests rags is talking about were not originally his. They belonged to Kylie in her pumpkin farm. Are we completely sure that the shulker boxes were originally his? Also, even if it is found out that rags 100% did this, the duplications were not very recent, but I do believe a temp ban is in order of maybe about a month or so in length. But a permanent ban considering he has never broken the rules before seems harsh and more of a hurt to the server then a help. The server does not have an unlimited amount of players like rags who are willing to be active players on this server and banning someone permanently on a server which gets smaller each year on a game which becomes less popular every year for someone's first and only offence seems counter productive to the server.
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From what I have gathered, the chests rags is talking about were not originally his. They belonged to Kylie in her pumpkin farm. Are we completely sure that the shulker boxes were originally his? Also, even if it is found out that rags 100% did this, the duplications were not very recent, but I do believe a temp ban is in order of maybe about a month or so in length. But a permanent ban considering he has never broken the rules before seems harsh and more of a hurt to the server then a help. The server does not have an unlimited amount of players like rags who are willing to be active players on this server and banning someone permanently on a server which gets smaller each year on a game which becomes less popular every year for someone's first and only offence seems counter productive to the server.
Yes, this farm did belong to Kylie before me. I'm not sure if that's related, but it possibly is.
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From what I have gathered, the chests rags is talking about were not originally his. They belonged to Kylie in her pumpkin farm. Are we completely sure that the shulker boxes were originally his? Also, even if it is found out that rags 100% did this, the duplications were not very recent, but I do believe a temp ban is in order of maybe about a month or so in length. But a permanent ban considering he has never broken the rules before seems harsh and more of a hurt to the server then a help. The server does not have an unlimited amount of players like rags who are willing to be active players on this server and banning someone permanently on a server which gets smaller each year on a game which becomes less popular every year for someone's first and only offence seems counter productive to the server.
Yes, this farm did belong to Kylie before me. I'm not sure if that's related, but it possibly is.
question
block logs show the diamond in light blue shulker boxes that you and soph both placed, that isnt disputed and is the main reason you're suspected of duping
are you able to show us where you originally found the diamonds?
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I duped in the very early VC days and I was given another chance. I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't agree with lifting or reducing both bans. If a staff member actually said it was ok to sell them, I would recommend lifting the bans and punishing Rag's and Soph's balance somewhat (after taking away all the money from the duped diamonds obviously).
But a permanent ban considering he has never broken the rules before seems harsh and more of a hurt to the server then a help. The server does not have an unlimited amount of players like rags who are willing to be active players on this server and banning someone permanently on a server which gets smaller each year on a game which becomes less popular every year for someone's first and only offence seems counter productive to the server.
I agree.
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Hello,
I was shocked and disturbed that this afternoon, I was banned for "duping using DrugMeUp". I don't even know how to dupe. I never have known. Never plan on knowing. Allow me to explain what happened. I come out of my room one morning and Sophie starts yelling at me "Rags! Check this out! Someone put a shitload of diamond blocks in our pumpkin farm chests!!". My initial reaction was "wait what?", then followed by "ok, this is too good to be true. Let's see who did this." So I go online and do /lb tb and I saw that no names were there. Very confused, I tell a staff member (not sure who) and they told me to go ahead and sell them. So I do. I gained a total of 11 million, and that was that.
I believe this punishment for my "duping" is VERY harsh too. I was perm banned on my 1st and only offense I've ever had. Do you not think that's slightly harsh? I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff.
Again, I don't know how to dupe. I found out that DrugMeUp was removed because people could dupe with it from Yvette on a Skype call a few weeks ago, and I was slightly surprised. You can ask her about it.
Overall, I would just like to plead my innocence and hope for the best. Thank you.
That's not what I heard.
anyways. let tell what we saw.
We found over 8 blocks in soph and rag's farm that say they both placed and took diamond blocks by the 1000's out of light blue shulkerboxes. the blocks added up to about 37m total, around 19,000 blocks i believe. @Frog has the math done somewhere. the shulkerboxes were placed, and the diamond blocks were taken out seconds later. I really can't see how 19,000+ diamond blocks just "appeared" also at the time. there was no evidence found of anyone placing them in your farms, just you and soph placing shulkerboxes and taking the diamonds out seconds later.
The reason this was found out about 4 months later is because I could never find proof on VC. Until just recently. and in the logs i briefly looked at of Soph talking about the diamonds, there was nothing about her asking a staff member, she logged on.
The log I have for soph, is right after she changed her name. and its the day the supposed duping was done as well. the very first thing soph does is go to her pumpkin farm, and immediately goes to warp minerals and starts selling. she then gives some out to other people, and talks about how she thinks they are rags. even though she placed some of the boxes. Rags logs in minutes later, and goes straight to the farm and starts selling. No where does it show they asked any staff member if they were allowed to sell them. unless i'm missing something.
Also, unlikely this was Die, as I believe she was banned long before our 1.12 update. not 100% sure though, but I think she was.
I'm fine with an unban for you, Rags, once this is fully sorted out. Although, I believe you know you're guilty " I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff." why wouldn't you want a full unban if you did nothing wrong?
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Rags does have a previous offense of evading ascn ignore.
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Although, I believe you know you're guilty " I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff." why wouldn't you want a full unban if you did nothing wrong?
Agree with everything else but just wanna point out this isnt really a sign of guilt, its very common for people accused of something to negotiate a lesser punishment instead of fully clearing themselves if they're struggling to do so.
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I honestly think a perm ban is called for, I remember getting perm banned for duping 700k, and someone who dupes more then 30 Million obviously knows its wrong but continues anyways. I also think its worse that rags was a trusted player, My guess is that he duped and probably thought his trust would protect him. I stand by the ban unless someone can show something that proves the ban wrong.
Also, @Akomine doesn't this kinda remind you of what @123NiceGirl4 told us about how rags "randomly" had a shulker full of diamond blocks appear in his Inv? Im going to quote what nicegirl said in messages as I feel this might help. " I was on today and frog notice that rags had a shulker box full of diamond blocks in his inventory. I checked it out and he was right. I questioned rags on Skype and he doesn't know how the box got into his inventory. He says he hasn't been on as much and it was the first time today he noticed." I find it very hard to believe that 30+ Million worth of diamond blocks randomly appeared in the pumpkin farm chests, your inventory, from kylie. In my eyes all these different ways the diamond blocks supposedly got into your hands makes you look very guilty.
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About 3 weeks ago to a month ago I was questioning Soph about the money again because I still thought it was strange, she explained to me that she did ask staff when she found the diamonds and they said it was fine to take, not sure if she was lying but just stating what I know. Also when Sophie found the diamonds, she offered to share with me but she also said she has to save some for Rags because it was found at their shared farm. Around 10-15 minutes later Rags comes on thrilled about sophies encounter of the money. I do think Sophie duped but I do not think Rags did as he was very very surprised when he found out.
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About 3 weeks ago to a month ago I was questioning Soph about the money again because I still thought it was strange, she explained to me that she did ask staff when she found the diamonds and they said it was fine to take, not sure if she was lying but just stating what I know. Also when Sophie found the diamonds, she offered to share with me but she also said she has to save some for Rags because it was found at their shared farm. Around 10-15 minutes later Rags comes on thrilled about sophies encounter of the money. I do think Sophie duped but I do not think Rags did as he was very very surprised when he found out.
Its not that hard to fake being surprised
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nvm I just re read everyones comments, especially Octos and I think its possible it was the both of them who duped. Possibly mainly soph and rags just knew she was doing it.
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They didnt ask staff according to the logs i checked from that date. Just making that clear idk if they asked somewhere else, but dont give the skype excuse without being able to show proof lol
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From what I have gathered, the chests rags is talking about were not originally his. They belonged to Kylie in her pumpkin farm. Are we completely sure that the shulker boxes were originally his? Also, even if it is found out that rags 100% did this, the duplications were not very recent, but I do believe a temp ban is in order of maybe about a month or so in length. But a permanent ban considering he has never broken the rules before seems harsh and more of a hurt to the server then a help. The server does not have an unlimited amount of players like rags who are willing to be active players on this server and banning someone permanently on a server which gets smaller each year on a game which becomes less popular every year for someone's first and only offence seems counter productive to the server.
Yes, this farm did belong to Kylie before me. I'm not sure if that's related, but it possibly is.
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block logs show the diamond in light blue shulker boxes that you and soph both placed, that isnt disputed and is the main reason you're suspected of duping
are you able to show us where you originally found the diamonds?
Id still like this question answered, rags.
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From what I have gathered, the chests rags is talking about were not originally his. They belonged to Kylie in her pumpkin farm. Are we completely sure that the shulker boxes were originally his? Also, even if it is found out that rags 100% did this, the duplications were not very recent, but I do believe a temp ban is in order of maybe about a month or so in length. But a permanent ban considering he has never broken the rules before seems harsh and more of a hurt to the server then a help. The server does not have an unlimited amount of players like rags who are willing to be active players on this server and banning someone permanently on a server which gets smaller each year on a game which becomes less popular every year for someone's first and only offence seems counter productive to the server.
Yes, this farm did belong to Kylie before me. I'm not sure if that's related, but it possibly is.
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block logs show the diamond in light blue shulker boxes that you and soph both placed, that isnt disputed and is the main reason you're suspected of duping
are you able to show us where you originally found the diamonds?
Id still like this question answered, rags.
Yes, I can.
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Although, I believe you know you're guilty " I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff." why wouldn't you want a full unban if you did nothing wrong?
Agree with everything else but just wanna point out this isnt really a sign of guilt, its very common for people accused of something to negotiate a lesser punishment instead of fully clearing themselves if they're struggling to do so.
That is my exact reason.
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They didnt ask staff according to the logs i checked from that date. Just making that clear idk if they asked somewhere else, but dont give the skype excuse without being able to show proof lol
I'm almost positive I asked someone who said yes. I know I told a staff member.
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I honestly think a perm ban is called for, I remember getting perm banned for duping 700k, and someone who dupes more then 30 Million obviously knows its wrong but continues anyways. I also think its worse that rags was a trusted player, My guess is that he duped and probably thought his trust would protect him. I stand by the ban unless someone can show something that proves the ban wrong.
Also, @Akomine doesn't this kinda remind you of what @123NiceGirl4 told us about how rags "randomly" had a shulker full of diamond blocks appear in his Inv? Im going to quote what nicegirl said in messages as I feel this might help. " I was on today and frog notice that rags had a shulker box full of diamond blocks in his inventory. I checked it out and he was right. I questioned rags on Skype and he doesn't know how the box got into his inventory. He says he hasn't been on as much and it was the first time today he noticed." I find it very hard to believe that 30+ Million worth of diamond blocks randomly appeared in the pumpkin farm chests, your inventory, from kylie. In my eyes all these different ways the diamond blocks supposedly got into your hands makes you look very guilty.
A perm ban for my first offence? I've never been banned or muted in my whole 2 years of being on VC. And being perm banned for something I didn't do seems like a lot of bullshit.
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Hello,
I was shocked and disturbed that this afternoon, I was banned for "duping using DrugMeUp". I don't even know how to dupe. I never have known. Never plan on knowing. Allow me to explain what happened. I come out of my room one morning and Sophie starts yelling at me "Rags! Check this out! Someone put a shitload of diamond blocks in our pumpkin farm chests!!". My initial reaction was "wait what?", then followed by "ok, this is too good to be true. Let's see who did this." So I go online and do /lb tb and I saw that no names were there. Very confused, I tell a staff member (not sure who) and they told me to go ahead and sell them. So I do. I gained a total of 11 million, and that was that.
I believe this punishment for my "duping" is VERY harsh too. I was perm banned on my 1st and only offense I've ever had. Do you not think that's slightly harsh? I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff.
Again, I don't know how to dupe. I found out that DrugMeUp was removed because people could dupe with it from Yvette on a Skype call a few weeks ago, and I was slightly surprised. You can ask her about it.
Overall, I would just like to plead my innocence and hope for the best. Thank you.
That's not what I heard.
anyways. let tell what we saw.
We found over 8 blocks in soph and rag's farm that say they both placed and took diamond blocks by the 1000's out of light blue shulkerboxes. the blocks added up to about 37m total, around 19,000 blocks i believe. @Frog has the math done somewhere. the shulkerboxes were placed, and the diamond blocks were taken out seconds later. I really can't see how 19,000+ diamond blocks just "appeared" also at the time. there was no evidence found of anyone placing them in your farms, just you and soph placing shulkerboxes and taking the diamonds out seconds later.
The reason this was found out about 4 months later is because I could never find proof on VC. Until just recently. and in the logs i briefly looked at of Soph talking about the diamonds, there was nothing about her asking a staff member, she logged on.
The log I have for soph, is right after she changed her name. and its the day the supposed duping was done as well. the very first thing soph does is go to her pumpkin farm, and immediately goes to warp minerals and starts selling. she then gives some out to other people, and talks about how she thinks they are rags. even though she placed some of the boxes. Rags logs in minutes later, and goes straight to the farm and starts selling. No where does it show they asked any staff member if they were allowed to sell them. unless i'm missing something.
Also, unlikely this was Die, as I believe she was banned long before our 1.12 update. not 100% sure though, but I think she was.
I'm fine with an unban for you, Rags, once this is fully sorted out. Although, I believe you know you're guilty " I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff." why wouldn't you want a full unban if you did nothing wrong?
I'm honestly not sure what do do at this point. But I can't stress this enough that I'm not guilty of this. I wasn't even the first person to see these diamonds. Is it a possibility that someone hacked and made it seem like we did it? I know it would be unlikely, but it's possible.
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I'm almost positive I asked someone who said yes. I know I told a staff member.
Do you remember roughly when this was? Time? Date? Week? Month? If you can narrow it down a bit I can find the chat logs from when you asked, so we can see exactly who you asked, and what the conversation went like
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I honestly think a perm ban is called for, I remember getting perm banned for duping 700k, and someone who dupes more then 30 Million obviously knows its wrong but continues anyways. I also think its worse that rags was a trusted player, My guess is that he duped and probably thought his trust would protect him. I stand by the ban unless someone can show something that proves the ban wrong.
Also, @Akomine doesn't this kinda remind you of what @123NiceGirl4 told us about how rags "randomly" had a shulker full of diamond blocks appear in his Inv? Im going to quote what nicegirl said in messages as I feel this might help. " I was on today and frog notice that rags had a shulker box full of diamond blocks in his inventory. I checked it out and he was right. I questioned rags on Skype and he doesn't know how the box got into his inventory. He says he hasn't been on as much and it was the first time today he noticed." I find it very hard to believe that 30+ Million worth of diamond blocks randomly appeared in the pumpkin farm chests, your inventory, from kylie. In my eyes all these different ways the diamond blocks supposedly got into your hands makes you look very guilty.
A perm ban for my first offence? I've never been banned or muted in my whole 2 years of being on VC. And being perm banned for something I didn't do seems like a lot of bullshit.
Yes i do think a perm ban is the correct punishment, Duplicating that amount is a horrible first offense and should not be taken lightly, and unless you can provide some type of evidence that proves your innocence i stand with the perm ban
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If you didn't do it, then why are you fine with a tempban? Be honest. Hacking in 37 million dollars between you and Soph is not okay.
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If you didn't do it, then why are you fine with a tempban? Be honest. Hacking in 37 million dollars between you and Soph is not okay.
Refer to my reply to octo, its not an admission of guilt.
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If you didn't do it, then why are you fine with a tempban? Be honest. Hacking in 37 million dollars between you and Soph is not okay.
Refer to my reply to octo, its not an admission of guilt.
Then why want a tempban at all? imo it seems like a very fishy way of getting a reduced punishment for something they did
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Hello,
I was shocked and disturbed that this afternoon, I was banned for "duping using DrugMeUp". I don't even know how to dupe. I never have known. Never plan on knowing. Allow me to explain what happened. I come out of my room one morning and Sophie starts yelling at me "Rags! Check this out! Someone put a shitload of diamond blocks in our pumpkin farm chests!!". My initial reaction was "wait what?", then followed by "ok, this is too good to be true. Let's see who did this." So I go online and do /lb tb and I saw that no names were there. Very confused, I tell a staff member (not sure who) and they told me to go ahead and sell them. So I do. I gained a total of 11 million, and that was that.
I believe this punishment for my "duping" is VERY harsh too. I was perm banned on my 1st and only offense I've ever had. Do you not think that's slightly harsh? I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff.
Again, I don't know how to dupe. I found out that DrugMeUp was removed because people could dupe with it from Yvette on a Skype call a few weeks ago, and I was slightly surprised. You can ask her about it.
Overall, I would just like to plead my innocence and hope for the best. Thank you.
That's not what I heard.
anyways. let tell what we saw.
We found over 8 blocks in soph and rag's farm that say they both placed and took diamond blocks by the 1000's out of light blue shulkerboxes. the blocks added up to about 37m total, around 19,000 blocks i believe. @Frog has the math done somewhere. the shulkerboxes were placed, and the diamond blocks were taken out seconds later. I really can't see how 19,000+ diamond blocks just "appeared" also at the time. there was no evidence found of anyone placing them in your farms, just you and soph placing shulkerboxes and taking the diamonds out seconds later.
The reason this was found out about 4 months later is because I could never find proof on VC. Until just recently. and in the logs i briefly looked at of Soph talking about the diamonds, there was nothing about her asking a staff member, she logged on.
The log I have for soph, is right after she changed her name. and its the day the supposed duping was done as well. the very first thing soph does is go to her pumpkin farm, and immediately goes to warp minerals and starts selling. she then gives some out to other people, and talks about how she thinks they are rags. even though she placed some of the boxes. Rags logs in minutes later, and goes straight to the farm and starts selling. No where does it show they asked any staff member if they were allowed to sell them. unless i'm missing something.
Also, unlikely this was Die, as I believe she was banned long before our 1.12 update. not 100% sure though, but I think she was.
I'm fine with an unban for you, Rags, once this is fully sorted out. Although, I believe you know you're guilty " I'm not even asking for a full unban, just a reduced ban to whatever is fine with staff." why wouldn't you want a full unban if you did nothing wrong?
I'm honestly not sure what do do at this point. But I can't stress this enough that I'm not guilty of this. I wasn't even the first person to see these diamonds. Is it a possibility that someone hacked and made it seem like we did it? I know it would be unlikely, but it's possible.
K im sorry but that is total utter bullshit. You cant hack a specific plugin to falsify a log from 4 months ago, nor would anyone do it as such a grand conspiracy.
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If you didn't do it, then why are you fine with a tempban? Be honest. Hacking in 37 million dollars between you and Soph is not okay.
Refer to my reply to octo, its not an admission of guilt.
Then why want a tempban at all? imo it seems like a very fishy way of getting a reduced punishment for something they did
Think of it like IRL court cases. Youre facing 20 years for a crime you say you didn't commit. You can serve the 20 and plead not guilty, or cut a deal and plea guilty for 10 years even though you say you didn't do it.
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If you didn't do it, then why are you fine with a tempban? Be honest. Hacking in 37 million dollars between you and Soph is not okay.
Refer to my reply to octo, its not an admission of guilt.
Then why want a tempban at all? imo it seems like a very fishy way of getting a reduced punishment for something they did
Think of it like IRL court cases. Youre facing 20 years for a crime you say you didn't commit. You can serve the 20 and plead not guilty, or cut a deal and plea guilty for 10 years even though you say you didn't do it.
can u log on pls
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If you didn't do it, then why are you fine with a tempban? Be honest. Hacking in 37 million dollars between you and Soph is not okay.
Refer to my reply to octo, its not an admission of guilt.
Then why want a tempban at all? imo it seems like a very fishy way of getting a reduced punishment for something they did
I don't want a tempban at all. I'm just saying that it's better than a perm ban.
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If you didn't do it, then why are you fine with a tempban? Be honest. Hacking in 37 million dollars between you and Soph is not okay.
Refer to my reply to octo, its not an admission of guilt.
Then why want a tempban at all? imo it seems like a very fishy way of getting a reduced punishment for something they did
Think of it like IRL court cases. Youre facing 20 years for a crime you say you didn't commit. You can serve the 20 and plead not guilty, or cut a deal and plea guilty for 10 years even though you say you didn't do it.
can u log on pls
I'm at school right now, so in a few hours.
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If you didn't do it, then why are you fine with a tempban? Be honest. Hacking in 37 million dollars between you and Soph is not okay.
Refer to my reply to octo, its not an admission of guilt.
Then why want a tempban at all? imo it seems like a very fishy way of getting a reduced punishment for something they did
I don't want a tempban at all. I'm just saying that it's better than a perm ban.
CAN U COME ONLINE
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This is a pretty ridiculous ban. A while back when I was an awful player I already had a few offenses on me, xraying and such, and I didn't face a permanent ban when me and a few others had exploited the economy and reached millions of dollars. I had turned all my profit into diamond blocks and didn't face ANY punishment. Of course it was confiscated by Air himself but I feel this punishment, especially for his "second" offense (don't even count his first it's barely anything), is ridiculous.
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This is a pretty ridiculous ban. A while back when I was an awful player I already had a few offenses on me, xraying and such, and I didn't face a permanent ban when me and a few others had exploited the economy and reached millions of dollars. I had turned all my profit into diamond blocks and didn't face ANY punishment. Of course it was confiscated by Air himself but I feel this punishment, especially for his "second" offense (don't even count his first it's barely anything), is ridiculous.
Then you should've been punished harshly.
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This is a pretty ridiculous ban. A while back when I was an awful player I already had a few offenses on me, xraying and such, and I didn't face a permanent ban when me and a few others had exploited the economy and reached millions of dollars. I had turned all my profit into diamond blocks and didn't face ANY punishment. Of course it was confiscated by Air himself but I feel this punishment, especially for his "second" offense (don't even count his first it's barely anything), is ridiculous.
19,000 blocks were found. And theres lots of evidence they were duped. And tons of players have been banned for dupe before. Dont see how this is ridiculous at all. But ok.
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This is a pretty ridiculous ban. A while back when I was an awful player I already had a few offenses on me, xraying and such, and I didn't face a permanent ban when me and a few others had exploited the economy and reached millions of dollars. I had turned all my profit into diamond blocks and didn't face ANY punishment. Of course it was confiscated by Air himself but I feel this punishment, especially for his "second" offense (don't even count his first it's barely anything), is ridiculous.
Then you should've been punished harshly.
I feel like confiscation and then a warning is enough, maybe this type of punishment if it's habitual. At most he should get a temporary ban, not a permanent one.
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This is a pretty ridiculous ban. A while back when I was an awful player I already had a few offenses on me, xraying and such, and I didn't face a permanent ban when me and a few others had exploited the economy and reached millions of dollars. I had turned all my profit into diamond blocks and didn't face ANY punishment. Of course it was confiscated by Air himself but I feel this punishment, especially for his "second" offense (don't even count his first it's barely anything), is ridiculous.
19,000 blocks were found. And theres lots of evidence they were duped. And tons of players have been banned for dupe before. Dont see how this is ridiculous at all. But ok.
Because a permanent ban? Really? Why? It's like we don't give people a second chance anymore if they fucked up. Take the diamond blocks and issue a temporary ban. If he does it again just ban the fucker.
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
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Thats why I said if he can prove atleast 1 part of his story true id be down for a 3-4week ban. Maybe some skype screenshots of that staff member that gave the go ahead to sell
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Thats why I said if he can prove atleast 1 part of his story true id be down for a 3-4week ban. Maybe some skype screenshots of that staff member that gave the go ahead to sell
Here's what I am sure that I did: I'm sure I told a staff member, I think it was Steph.
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Id like screenshots, Also did she know it was 37 Million worth or did you only show her 1 box @123NiceGirl4
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i just want to ask a question for clarification
did you find the shulker boxes by htemselves or did you find like a chest full of shulker boxes?
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
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i just want to ask a question for clarification
did you find the shulker boxes by htemselves or did you find like a chest full of shulker boxes?
They were in the chests at the bottom of my pumpkin farm.
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
But here's the thing- I didn't dupe. I have no clue how. You can check all of my browser history and you wouldn't find a tutorial. I only found out how a week ago.
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
But here's the thing- I didn't dupe. I have no clue how. You can check all of my browser history and you wouldn't find a tutorial. I only found out how a week ago.
Edit: I only found out that you COULD a week ago.
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i just want to ask a question for clarification
did you find the shulker boxes by htemselves or did you find like a chest full of shulker boxes?
They were in the chests at the bottom of my pumpkin farm.
i logged all your chests at the farm this morning, its to far back to see with logblock, at least with my knowledge of the command, could re rollback to the date that they were supposedly found in? @luisc99
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
I don't agree with permanently banning cheaters either. Give them another chance, especially if it's their first real offense. This is different because of the amount of offenses Rags actually has, if he had three already I would say yes a permanent ban would be fine, but he's shown us that he can behave on the server. I 100% believe that if he came back onto the server he would never do this again and stay out of trouble. He obviously enjoys the server so I doubt he wants to just throw that away.
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
But here's the thing- I didn't dupe. I have no clue how. You can check all of my browser history and you wouldn't find a tutorial. I only found out how a week ago.
Edit: I only found out that you COULD a week ago.
Well, you COULDN'T a week ago because we didn't have DrugMeUp a week ago.
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
But here's the thing- I didn't dupe. I have no clue how. You can check all of my browser history and you wouldn't find a tutorial. I only found out how a week ago.
Edit: I only found out that you COULD a week ago.
Well, you COULDN'T a week ago because we didn't have DrugMeUp a week ago.
I'm aware.
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
The thing is- I have behaved very well since the "duping". If I had duped, wouldn't I had probably done it again? A few times?
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
The thing is- I have behaved very well since the "duping". If I had duped, wouldn't I had probably done it again? A few times?
idk you tell me
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
The thing is- I have behaved very well since the "duping". If I had duped, wouldn't I had probably done it again? A few times?
Maybe you were content with your money, I don't know.
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Lmao, yeah lets give him a slap on the wrist for cheating in $37 Million thats a great idea peng.
Let's give him a temporary ban appropriate to his actions. I never said it had to be three days or five days. It can be two weeks or a month, I just don't think a permanent ban on a player that obviously loves the server and surely would change his behavior is necessary.
so, banning a player permanently who has been caught cheating is fine. But banning someone else for abusing a glitch for to make multimillion dollars is not. I can recall a few times players have been banned for money duping and got a permanent ban. And this is the biggest money scandal on vc that i could find in the registry aswell.
The thing is- I have behaved very well since the "duping". If I had duped, wouldn't I had probably done it again? A few times?
Tbf this is a valid argument.
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I agree with livid, If you are fine with the amount that you have, why risk doing it again.
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I agree with livid, If you are fine with the amount that you have, why risk doing it again.
this.
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I agree with livid, If you are fine with the amount that you have, why risk doing it again.
My goal has always been to be baltop 1. If I had duped, I would have done it again a few times, to reach my goal.
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but i bet you thought that would look sus, so you didnt.
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but i bet you thought that would look sus, so you didnt.
But I didn't dupe to begin with. So that was all just situational. I really wish that I could prove I didn't, but I'm in a very tough spot to get out of.
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
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Something something Shen, Livid and Octo (mainly shen and livid) are being biased as fuck. Give him the tempban and get on with life, you fucks. Why do you want him banned permanently so bad? His record is clean, apart from some minor bullshit. He possibly duped diamonds and retardedly sold them, so give him a tempban and a balance punishment. Don't permanently ban him when he has put who knows how many hours into VC. We've done the same thing for offenders who seem to care about vc and you know it.
I refuse to accept this retarded permanent ban idea and I can clearly see that there's some kind of agenda.
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
or like idk logs maybe? also hey air, maybe read some fucking reply's. Ive said im down to tempban if shown ANYTHING that makes his story true. just go back and screenshot the convo between you and nicegirl
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
or like idk logs maybe? also hey air, maybe read some fucking reply's. Ive said im down to tempban if shown ANYTHING that makes his story true. just go back and screenshot the convo between you and nicegirl
I did read the replies. Proof or not, I'm still against the permaban.
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
or like idk logs maybe? also hey air, maybe read some fucking reply's. Ive said im down to tempban if shown ANYTHING that makes his story true. just go back and screenshot the convo between you and nicegirl
I did read the replies. Proof or not, I'm still against the permaban.
If anything, at a bare minimum, a very extended tempban should occur. I've seen x-rayers get 3 weeks, when they get like 100k, there is no way Rags will get 3 weeks for 37 million.
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and im down to tempban if he can prove 1 part of the many stories that have been told.
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i just want to ask a question for clarification
did you find the shulker boxes by htemselves or did you find like a chest full of shulker boxes?
They were in the chests at the bottom of my pumpkin farm.
i logged all your chests at the farm this morning, its to far back to see with logblock, at least with my knowledge of the command, could re rollback to the date that they were supposedly found in? @luisc99
I think it's possible yeah
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i just want to ask a question for clarification
did you find the shulker boxes by htemselves or did you find like a chest full of shulker boxes?
They were in the chests at the bottom of my pumpkin farm.
i logged all your chests at the farm this morning, its to far back to see with logblock, at least with my knowledge of the command, could re rollback to the date that they were supposedly found in? @luisc99
I think it's possible yeah
You able to come on?
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
or like idk logs maybe? also hey air, maybe read some fucking reply's. Ive said im down to tempban if shown ANYTHING that makes his story true. just go back and screenshot the convo between you and nicegirl
I did read the replies. Proof or not, I'm still against the permaban.
If anything, at a bare minimum, a very extended tempban should occur. I've seen x-rayers get 3 weeks, when they get like 100k, there is no way Rags will get 3 weeks for 37 million.
the amount has changed a lot (8 mil, 20 mil, 30 mil, 36 mil, 37 mil?)
at the least, soph did the majority of the duping as well
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
or like idk logs maybe? also hey air, maybe read some fucking reply's. Ive said im down to tempban if shown ANYTHING that makes his story true. just go back and screenshot the convo between you and nicegirl
I did read the replies. Proof or not, I'm still against the permaban.
If anything, at a bare minimum, a very extended tempban should occur. I've seen x-rayers get 3 weeks, when they get like 100k, there is no way Rags will get 3 weeks for 37 million.
the amount has changed a lot (8 mil, 20 mil, 30 mil, 36 mil, 37 mil?)
at the least, soph did the majority of the duping as well
Yes and sophsparks is banned too
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
or like idk logs maybe? also hey air, maybe read some fucking reply's. Ive said im down to tempban if shown ANYTHING that makes his story true. just go back and screenshot the convo between you and nicegirl
I did read the replies. Proof or not, I'm still against the permaban.
If anything, at a bare minimum, a very extended tempban should occur. I've seen x-rayers get 3 weeks, when they get like 100k, there is no way Rags will get 3 weeks for 37 million.
the amount has changed a lot (8 mil, 20 mil, 30 mil, 36 mil, 37 mil?)
at the least, soph did the majority of the duping as well
Yes and sophsparks is banned too
yea but you're framing it like rags singlehandedly duped 37 mil
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
or like idk logs maybe? also hey air, maybe read some fucking reply's. Ive said im down to tempban if shown ANYTHING that makes his story true. just go back and screenshot the convo between you and nicegirl
I did read the replies. Proof or not, I'm still against the permaban.
If anything, at a bare minimum, a very extended tempban should occur. I've seen x-rayers get 3 weeks, when they get like 100k, there is no way Rags will get 3 weeks for 37 million.
the amount has changed a lot (8 mil, 20 mil, 30 mil, 36 mil, 37 mil?)
at the least, soph did the majority of the duping as well
Yes and sophsparks is banned too
yea but you're framing it like rags singlehandedly duped 37 mil
no, he did 11mn(?) or so of it, and soph isn't the one appealing rn
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You started to sell the items on 6th of November, at roughly 8pm server time. This involved warping between the market ore shop (/warp mx), and your farm, where the shulker boxes were found (to my knowledge). I checked the logs running all the way up until the start of September, and from what I can tell, you did not once ask any member of staff about it
If you did ask someone, and it was on the server rather than on the forums/skype/whatever, I'd be happy to re-check the logs in more detail when I get more time
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Id like screenshots, Also did she know it was 37 Million worth or did you only show her 1 box @123NiceGirl4
I didn't count the boxes, but I will Skype you the convo that she had with me over Skype.
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There are way too many "maybe" "idk" and "but"s to justify a permaban lol
or like idk logs maybe? also hey air, maybe read some fucking reply's. Ive said im down to tempban if shown ANYTHING that makes his story true. just go back and screenshot the convo between you and nicegirl
Would showing you the chest where I found the boxes count?
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and im down to tempban if he can prove 1 part of the many stories that have been told.
I will send you a screenshot of Sophie telling me that she found the boxes first over text.
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Post the screenshots here.
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Showing us where you found them only helps if luis is able to get block logs from further back
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/rggdEE1LKeldlavJ3 this is Sophie saying she found them first
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Wasn't expecting this. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gmUZe4H1MiBLuNPT2 Livid, Sophie says you said it was ok to sell them.
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And the plot thickens.
Do not reply unless you have something to add to the report/appeal. Thank you!
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I did a logblock search of of the area. According to the logs, they were taken from the chest without ever being placed in there.
Please note that logblock uses a weird dating system, so 11-6 is actually the 6th of November.
Chest accesses inside selection in VillageCraft:
(1) 10-06 18:19:02 RagsDeeboo took 2x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(2) 11-06 19:37:05 SophieRae715 took 5x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(3) 11-06 19:40:59 SophieRae715 took 1x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(4) 11-06 19:51:16 SophieRae715 took 10x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(5) 11-06 19:51:23 SophieRae715 put 6x light blue shulker box into chest at 14340:28:9231
(6) 11-06 19:58:30 RagsDeeboo took 6x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
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I did a logblock search of of the area. According to the logs, they were taken from the chest without ever being placed in there.
Please note that logblock uses a weird dating system, so 11-6 is actually the 6th of November.
Chest accesses inside selection in VillageCraft:
(1) 10-06 18:19:02 RagsDeeboo took 2x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(2) 11-06 19:37:05 SophieRae715 took 5x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(3) 11-06 19:40:59 SophieRae715 took 1x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(4) 11-06 19:51:16 SophieRae715 took 10x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(5) 11-06 19:51:23 SophieRae715 put 6x light blue shulker box into chest at 14340:28:9231
(6) 11-06 19:58:30 RagsDeeboo took 6x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
See? I didn't dupe. I didn't put them in there. I don't know how to dupe.
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I thought u said u learned how to
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I thought u said u learned how to
I said I found out you could after DrugMeUp was removed.
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Flop. You are banned lol https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Np_Y740aReI
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Do not reply unless you have something to add to the report/appeal. Thank you!
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I did a logblock search of of the area. According to the logs, they were taken from the chest without ever being placed in there.
Please note that logblock uses a weird dating system, so 11-6 is actually the 6th of November.
Chest accesses inside selection in VillageCraft:
(1) 10-06 18:19:02 RagsDeeboo took 2x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(2) 11-06 19:37:05 SophieRae715 took 5x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(3) 11-06 19:40:59 SophieRae715 took 1x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(4) 11-06 19:51:16 SophieRae715 took 10x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
(5) 11-06 19:51:23 SophieRae715 put 6x light blue shulker box into chest at 14340:28:9231
(6) 11-06 19:58:30 RagsDeeboo took 6x light blue shulker box from chest at 14340:28:9231
probably thrown into hoppers, the chests are connected to hoppers.
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Rags + soph we owe you an apology, one of the staff members was messing with you, and you ended up getting unfairly punished for it. this offense will be removed from the registry and won't be held against you to. Although, I would like to know who you asked to sell them. also in the future if something bizarre and out of the ordinary like this happens again i'd be more careful with who you share with and be more hesitant to sell that lol.
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Rags + soph we owe you an apology, one of the staff members was messing with you, and you ended up getting unfairly punished for it. this offense will be removed from the registry and won't be held against you to. Although, I would like to know who you asked to sell them. also in the future if something bizarre and out of the ordinary like this happens again i'd be more careful with who you share with and be more hesitant to sell that lol.
Told you I didn't dupe. :P But yes, I will keep that in mind in the future. I'm still banned on VCV though.
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Shen and I apologise for the mishap that had occurred as you've been proven innocent. Sorry for the inconvenience. Greater caution will be taken in the future
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What a terrible way to mess with someone
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What a terrible way to mess with someone
Did this really need to be said?
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yes
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Woah you miss a lot in 2 weeks.
I'm just here to clear up that it wasn't me that told Rags or anyone that they where clear to sell any diamonds. And i did find a box full of diamonds in Rags inv and talked to him about it in Skype, here are the screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/aDp1Z
this was october 6, 2017. I took the box full of diamonds out of his inventory and put it in mine and still today the box i took is in my inventory. I never said to anyone it was okay to sell a large amount of diamonds.
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Woah you miss a lot in 2 weeks.
I'm just here to clear up that it wasn't me that told Rags or anyone that they where clear to sell any diamonds. And i did find a box full of diamonds in Rags inv and talked to him about it in Skype, here are the screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/aDp1Z
this was october 6, 2017. I took the box full of diamonds out of his inventory and put it in mine and still today the box i took is in my inventory. I never said to anyone it was okay to sell a large amount of diamonds.
lol nvm about the box in my inv, i few weeks ago i did /clear in accident so the box got clear out, no one else took it
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We should probably lock this topic now that it's resolved.
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will be locked in next 48 hours unless someone wishes to keep open
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I'd just like to suggest check to make sure they didnt use any unfound loopholes that cj mde before he got merked
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I'd just like to suggest check to make sure they didnt use any unfound loopholes that cj mde before he got merked
don't post unless u have something to add thankypoo!
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I'd just like to suggest check to make sure they didnt use any unfound loopholes that cj mde before he got merked
don't post unless u have something to add thankypoo!
he was kinda adding something tho
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this be locked