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Title: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 15 September 2012, 02:44:35 PM
I have noticed that there are certain people in particular that have an attitude, or are rude to other players, and it just ruins the whole environment of the server. One of these players is [T] and gold [VIP] a player that most people should look up to. One that should be a positive role model for new players. But he is not. I don't feel like i should put any names public just yet but i have a feeling most of you know the person being talked about.. just a concern of mine that i think should be addressed. Let me know what you all think.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: knitefall on 15 September 2012, 03:08:20 PM
Heh, putting a [T] is as good as a name, but it doesnt matter. Yes I am a tester, but it doesnt mean I should be a role model. Yes, I have been on this server longer than anyone that plays, but it doesnt mean I have to be a goodiegoodie. I like to PVP, and I try to provoke people into fighting. Its not against the rules. Its just something I do
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 15 September 2012, 03:52:02 PM
this is not about you knite. i have never seen you being rude at all. this is about gokumine..
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: cjm721 on 15 September 2012, 04:07:40 PM
this is not about you knite. i have never seen you being rude at all. this is about gokumine..

*facepalm*

what has he done that is a negative impact besides killing people (which is part of the server and you should get use to it)
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: DarkenedAngel on 15 September 2012, 04:12:55 PM
this is not about you knite. i have never seen you being rude at all. this is about gokumine..
lmao... I do believe that is knite!
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 15 September 2012, 04:15:29 PM
killing people is not what im talking about. its the constant rudeness he shows everyone. he is always arguing with with someone. ask around.. you will see
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: TheCatsMangler on 15 September 2012, 04:47:59 PM
There is this moody guy whos a tester telling every one to fuck off and thinking that I yes Me Would live my luxury castle to go fight him
 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Luxury hotel people can join for free!
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: knitefall on 15 September 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I do believe I am Gokumine
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 15 September 2012, 05:19:25 PM
well then knitefall, if you are indeed ~gokumine then this is about you.. i fell like i have asked you a lot to be nicer.. and you just tell me to shut up or that nobody cares or to fuck off. im just trying to help the server. just because you are a tester/donator doesnt mean you can treat the rest of us like shit.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: knitefall on 15 September 2012, 05:26:59 PM
No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: DarkenedAngel on 15 September 2012, 05:34:15 PM
No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me
I'd do that. either do /ignore or just do wut i do and ignore all of you and only pay attention if someone whispers me or i see my name.

I say this because i haven't heard it being a problem with anyone else. Also if others do fine him as a problem and also do this soon he will not have many ppl to talk to and might realize ppl don't like him or something and would be more effective then me muting him or something.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Fuzzy_Yeti_69 on 15 September 2012, 05:44:44 PM
I 'argued' with Knite earlier
It was harmless banter
So I don't think either of us cared
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: knitefall on 15 September 2012, 05:45:50 PM
I didnt care much, it was actually comical for me to act pissed
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Fuzzy_Yeti_69 on 15 September 2012, 06:15:44 PM
I didn't think you were being serious anyway
I mean, I know you're good at PVP
But I didn't think you were annoyed
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: knitefall on 15 September 2012, 08:42:24 PM
I was just bored and in need of entertainment
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Kovos_Datch on 15 September 2012, 11:26:32 PM
I find Knite to be quite entertaining. I really don't see this as an issue. Personally, usr, I think you are taking this way too seriously.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Airbongo on 16 September 2012, 12:04:26 AM
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ignore all of you

Nice moderator attitude Dark...  >:(
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: DarkenedAngel on 16 September 2012, 12:32:47 AM
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ignore all of you

Nice moderator attitude Dark...  >:(
Wut i do. There is so much talking going on and 99% of it is not interesting so i just play the game and seem to only notice key words. Why is that bad? If someone has an issue and need help whisper me and/or say my name.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: TheCatsMangler on 16 September 2012, 04:43:04 AM
No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me
The point is new joiners won't know that
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: cjm721 on 16 September 2012, 02:50:16 PM
No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me
The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 16 September 2012, 03:06:21 PM
This has nothing to with swear words. Like was said above if a new players first impression is a bunch of people arguing are they going to stick around? Most likely not. It's not an issue with me ecaude I have neer been in an argument with knitefall but there have been players that have been offended. One in particular that made me decide to post this. I understand that you all don't get it, but a few players have been offended. I will let people know from now on how to join the forums so they can raise an issue themselves.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: cjm721 on 16 September 2012, 04:10:49 PM
This has nothing to with swear words. Like was said above if a new players first impression is a bunch of people arguing are they going to stick around? Most likely not. It's not an issue with me ecaude I have neer been in an argument with knitefall but there have been players that have been offended. One in particular that made me decide to post this. I understand that you all don't get it, but a few players have been offended. I will let people know from now on how to join the forums so they can raise an issue themselves.

Ill just kinda put this out here. I rather not have kids on this server that can't control their emotions or people that can't tolerate another  person's opinion.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 16 September 2012, 04:23:11 PM
if you are trying to discreetly refer to me, im not a young kid.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: cjm721 on 16 September 2012, 04:25:28 PM
if you are trying to discreetly refer to me, im not a young kid.

Ill just kinda put this out here. I rather not have kids on this server that can't control their emotions or people that can't tolerate another  person's opinion.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Airbongo on 16 September 2012, 04:30:12 PM
if you are trying to discreetly refer to me, im not a young kid.

Ill just kinda put this out here. I rather not have kids on this server that can't control their emotions or people that can't tolerate another  person's opinion.

In all fairness, I have seen Knitefall acting really rude against other players.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Islid on 16 September 2012, 04:32:16 PM
if you are trying to discreetly refer to me, im not a young kid.

Ill just kinda put this out here. I rather not have kids on this server that can't control their emotions or people that can't tolerate another  person's opinion.

In all fairness, I have seen Knitefall acting really rude against other players.

I've seen it too... My personal preference is for it to not be allowed, but at the same time, I guess it's not really EXPLICITLY wrong... maybe a little douchey, but in the end there is the /ignore function as many have pointed out.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: knitefall on 16 September 2012, 04:35:33 PM
Hm, if you havent noticed. I only act like that when I am trying to provoke someone into a fight.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Islid on 16 September 2012, 04:39:00 PM
Hm, if you havent noticed. I only act like that when I am trying to provoke someone into a fight.

Like I said, it's just a personal preference that it not happen. I ultimately can't make you not do it, or even tell you not to do it, because it's your prerogative to do so. And, as many have said before, free speech is allowed on the server.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 16 September 2012, 05:25:43 PM
except it is very clearly stated in MULTIPLE places "don't be a douche" its in spawn tunnel, on forums, and comes up as a tip quite often.. technically this could be considered against the rules
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Kovos_Datch on 16 September 2012, 06:55:39 PM
except it is very clearly stated in MULTIPLE places "don't be a douche" its in spawn tunnel, on forums, and comes up as a tip quite often.. technically this could be considered against the rules

And, as many have said before, free speech is allowed on the server.

Dude, it is free speech.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 16 September 2012, 06:59:23 PM
Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Kovos_Datch on 16 September 2012, 07:08:02 PM
Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

First of all, there is /ignore. Second of all, how am I discriminating? I listened to knite, now I am listening to you. I heard your argument and I think it is invalid. Does that mean I am discriminating? No; it means I heard your argument and I think it is foolish. I have not taken away your right at any point in this thread.

You, sir, need to think before you post.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: cjm721 on 16 September 2012, 07:24:43 PM
Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

being discriminatory is not always being a douche. Also you have to remember this server's owners are Canadian and don't follow USA's rules. As long as it stays away from reallife threats and does not keep other people from taking in global I am fine with it. If people are getting near the line I tell them. Also remember you are talking to people from around the world everyone has different views and meanings of words. It is something you need to get use to if you ever want to really see the world.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: usrmvm on 17 September 2012, 01:10:32 PM
kovos, i was not saying "you" as in you personally i mean "you" as in the person speaking, like the person reading the constitution, the people.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Kovos_Datch on 17 September 2012, 07:16:58 PM
kovos, i was not saying "you" as in you personally i mean "you" as in the person speaking, like the person reading the constitution, the people.

Then why not say "one".

Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If one is referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but one cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

See? Saying "one" is less personal than saying "you". "You" makes it seem like an attack on someone.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Islid on 17 September 2012, 07:26:37 PM
Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

Also, it's referring to personal server rules, not the constitution, lol. I guess it could refer to the constitution, but that's awfully country-specific...
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Kovos_Datch on 17 September 2012, 10:11:16 PM
Then the "don't be a douche" rule should not be in place. If you are referring to freedom of speech as stated in the constitution, it is freedom of speech, but you cannot discriminate. That takes away someone else's right as a free individual. Just a thought

Also, it's referring to personal server rules, not the constitution, lol. I guess it could refer to the constitution, but that's awfully country-specific...

This is true. America has rights stated in Amendments... and Britain has said right in implied areas of government. However, these are only two country out of the many on the face of the Earth. North Korea does not have said rights.... China, to an extent, also do not have said rights.

Sooooooo if we are talking "rights", it becomes a bit controversial.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: knitefall on 17 September 2012, 10:34:25 PM
Can someone lock this? It just became a political argument. Its a rule, shut up about it.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Kovos_Datch on 17 September 2012, 10:56:33 PM
Can someone lock this? It just became a political argument. Its a rule, shut up about it.

Ummm, nobody is arguing here? Islid posed some good points; I posed some good points. We are both stating the same point. I see no argument here.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Akomine on 17 September 2012, 11:41:00 PM
Well this is an interesting thread.
I'll add the /ignore command in the tips.

And uh... about this freedom of speech stuff. We uphold it more than most servers seem to. If Knite is trying to get someone to fight him by pissing them off in chat, while it might be seen as sortof douchey by some, it obviously isn't by all. You can be offended all you like, and you make good points, but we can hardly punish him. Use the ignore command if you like.

For what it's worth, the server was established in Canada by Canadians, and if we DID extend rights guaranteed in Canada to the server, it wouldn't be that of the US, but from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 2:

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Fundamental freedoms
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
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We basically already follow this on the server, without a guarantee. Canada also protects against hate speech when it is intended to cause real harm (excludes being "offended"), which we have actually enforced in the past.
Feel free to let staff know if someone has gone too far.


But to your actual point, usrmvm;
Yes, I can see that new players might be turned off from people talking shit in chat. But whatever, maybe you require a thicker skin to be on a server that has open speech. I get the concern, and appreciate you bringing it up here. Maybe save trash talking to try to get someone to PVP you for private messages or the PVP chat channel (I think we still have one).
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: TheCatsMangler on 18 September 2012, 10:51:54 AM
No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me
The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.
Well you do get people who have went on a server the first time and it is this one and i play servers and i diden know ignore worked and people do over react and get upset
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Kovos_Datch on 18 September 2012, 12:08:12 PM
No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me
The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.
Well you do get people who have went on a server the first time and it is this one and i play servers and i diden know ignore worked and people do over react and get upset

Could you re-write this with correct grammar in a coherent manner so we can understand what you are saying? Or is precise English too much to ask for from a native English speaker? (Yes, English is Cats' first language. I know this because i asked).
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: TheCatsMangler on 18 September 2012, 03:24:59 PM
Lolwut i only said that as some people are not english thats why i said i could not be any what i don't care
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: cjm721 on 18 September 2012, 08:20:18 PM
No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me
The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.
Well you do get people who have went on a server the first time and it is this one and i play servers and i diden know ignore worked and people do over react and get upset

Signs of someone who does not control their emotions and has not been out in the real world.
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: Kovos_Datch on 18 September 2012, 09:41:25 PM
No one else seems to care. You could also just ignore me
The point is new joiners won't know that

? /ignore is very common command, and if this has anything to do with swear words you should read the tunnel again.
Well you do get people who have went on a server the first time and it is this one and i play servers and i diden know ignore worked and people do over react and get upset

Signs of someone who does not control their emotions and has not been out in the real world.

I don't know about that. I think there is an argument here that someone who has been out in the real world long enough could become very emotional.

Yes people more often than not become jaded and apathetic, but there are those few that actually become more caring and more "upset" about the real world. Those people are more likely to change the world- either for better or worse.

Now this is not to say that most people that log onto the server are the "caring, worldly" people. I, too, believe what you are saying. I mean, how many people in the 6 odd million people that actually bought the game are older than 30? Probably not that many. The people logging onto the server are, more likely than not, little 12-15 year old kids that have no idea how to handle themselves on the internet let alone real life.


I'm not really arguing here so much as just taking a different view on it. My idea, yes, is a bit far fetched.... but it doesn't mean it isn't plausible (however I have yet to actually see this happen).
Title: Re: Another reason to complain about the server
Post by: Lycoris on 20 September 2012, 10:42:58 AM
I find knitefalls PVP attitude to be a very fun and interesting part of the server.
If everyone was just building and there was no violence it would be a junky server. At least we have people making an effort to go fight someone.
If you are worried about attitude then I would refer to CJ's post. We probably don't need people who can't take a little witty banter or few arguments.
However I joined this server as my first server, So I had no knowledge of the /ignore function at first.
Even so, If a person cannot read the rules and just complains they shouldn't have any need to stay on this server.

I rate this thread,
A
1 out of 5
Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: JANUARYJONES on 20 September 2012, 12:09:44 PM
Reading this thread:
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Title: Re: Attitude on the server..
Post by: knitefall on 20 September 2012, 06:29:07 PM
Thank you Lycoris